![]() ![]() So Hank, great to have you on the program.Īnd I was like, "Here's a Mars website." Before Wikipedia existed if you wanna know about Mars you might end up on my website. ![]() And I just thought there was almost no one better to talk to about what the internet is now and where it's going than Hank Green. He was on YouTube and has sort of seen the development of how the internet does and doesn't work, how it gets monetized or not monetized, what commercial pressures there are. But he has been a kind of internet presence (MUSIC) for, like, 15 years. He's the author of books, including A Beautifully Foolish Endeavor, which is a science fiction novel. He does, like, these science explaining videos. He's creator of Vlog Brothers that he and his brother, John Green, John is a really talented guy as well and an author among other things. Well, among a certain amount of people he's incredibly famous, and then there's some people who probably don't know who he is. So today's guest is someone who is basically exactly my age and who is that. It's one of my (LAUGH) sort of, like, top-five obsessions. And also those folks have a really interesting perspective I think on what is the internet that we have now, what it was before, and how it's changed, which as you know if you listen to the podcast is a thing I think about a lot. And there are some people who have managed to, like, remain, this is an incredible thing, to sort of remain fluent, relevant, and, like, native to the internet of the moment throughout and over a long period of time.Īnd I find it incredible to be able to do that. And you feel like a grandpa because, you know, you're watchin' it and you don't understand it.Īnd you've got your cyrpto and your NFTs, and (LAUGH) everything's so confusing. And then the kids, they got their Tiky and their Toky and they're doing their viral dances. I think that was Markos Moulitsas's book, Crashing the Gates.Īnd all this to say that, you know, death and taxes, we get older and things change. Did I say doorkeepers? (LAUGH) We didn't care what the gatekeepers thought about us. We didn't care what the doorkeepers thought. And I was part of a group of people that was this kind of- we were, like, the young upstarts who were blogging.Īnd we were throwin' open the doors. I was able to sort of get in touch with people and pitch people and publish for publications that I think really would've been more difficult in a pre-internet era. And I was publishing stuff but connected to other centers of politics and media outside the city of Chicago via the internet, via blogs, via email listservs.Īnd that connectedness really did a lot for my career. You know, my early years were as a freelance writer in Chicago.Īnd one of the things that was truly transformative for me is that I was living with Kate in Chicago, she was working at a domestic violence advocacy organization, and then she was in law school. And it was incredibly formative in my life and in my career. It's right when my cohort started getting internet from, like, 13 or 14, really the first sort of band of people in a mass sense that were on the internet and, you know, came up with it as part of their life in their adolescence, not of course in the way of, like, younger folks and smart phones.Īnd it was not as ubiquitous, but it was hitting kind of, like, mass appeal at the age that I was sort of growing into it. I think I talk about this a fair amount on the show, but I'm 42 years old, and that's the age that is the first kind of internet native age I think. Some of them are I think really positive and wonderful forms of art and connection and education, and I think some of 'em are really down deep in the sort of human psyche stuff that makes us more sad, more isolated, and more angry.Ĭhris Hayes: Hello, and welcome to Why Is This Happening? with me, your host, Chris Hayes. But I also am very deeply ambivalent about the kinds of creations that do well. ![]() Hank Green: I love that more people get to create for a living than they ever have before. ![]()
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